Mast Mate - Erection Helper ...

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Mast Mate - Erection Helper ...

Postby Simon » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:57 pm

This is not spam!!

www.mastmate.com.au/

Anyone had any experience with this product?
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Postby max+marg@w'gongC18 Gipsy » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:14 pm

fiddly downloading all the little clips!

i dont know about the spring idea

i simply use the trailer winch for the entire raising and lowering operation

i have a boat roller that sits on the pulpit

i use verns sail track guides, otherwise my mast slews to one side, potentially damaging the mast step

at the pushpit, i have a one piece 3x2 post with a roller on top that holds the mast at the right height

all seems to work fine, even in strong winds, or unlevel parking area
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Postby jamesw » Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:42 pm

I have a Verne special device that goes on the back. It's a bit light on but works if you're carefull.

Seems to me if you make some sort of scissor thing to go on the back (that you keep in the car or attached to the trailer) that holds the mast up in the air so you can get the heel in the base then it's rock solid. You can jump around knowing that the mast isn't going anywhere.

I'd then check that the shroud points are going to stand up properly (bit of an issue with my setup).

Then attach the inner forestay to a rope - lead the rope though something - I have a large cleat on the foredeck.

Give the end of the rope to someone (I do it by holding the end myself) then in one reasonably swift moment you pull the mast up.

Smash it against the chainplates - we tend to fairy around with fittings on our beloved boats but if you pull the mast up smartly into place then it'll know where it's meant to be.

You, or your willing assistant (who can be on the ground) then pulls their rope in thus holding the inner forestay. Wrap it onto the cleat then do the main forestay.

Max exposure is about two or three seconds and no fiddling around with mast raisers.
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Postby waratah » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:27 pm

Hi Simon,

Thanks for the information on the [mast] erection helper. [size=7][:wink:

As a 55kg & 5'4" woman, I have been wondering how on earth I was going to get that Careel mast up all on my own. I've watched Bob and others use their sheer 'brut strength' and of course their years and years of expereince in developing this skillful manouver, made it look even less likely that I'd ever be able to get my mast erected on my own. BUT . . . .
I'd love to see the 'mastmate' action.

The videos on mastmate's web site are not too clear on my laptop.

If anyone knows someone who's used mastmate, I'd really like to have their feedback on this product.
Many thanks, Julia 'Kapa-Laya'
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Postby Kayceez » Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:28 pm

I have an old mast mate It's great, the new one is supposed to be better. have a look at www.trailersaierplace.com.au and search mast mate.
Regards Kayceez

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Postby maxm » Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:35 pm

Welcome Kayceez! Are you a TSPer that happens to be dropping in by any chance?
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Postby Kayceez » Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:29 pm

It is true I am a TSP'er surfing all things nautical and having seen a few postings on the careels I thought I would have a look and learn some more, I never expected to have anything of interest to post.
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Postby maxm » Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:38 pm

Kayceez wrote:I never expected to have anything of interest to post.
Kayceez


Don't understimate yourself. You could be surprised how easy it is to interest us Careelers. We've been known to have long and interesting discussions about ducks. OK, it's true, the bit about "interesting" is open to interpretation.
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Postby waratah » Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:44 pm

Hi Kayceez,
Thanks for your feedback on the 'mastmate' erection helper [. . . .lol]
I tried to follow the link posted by you last post, but it's not working too well. Oh well!

Can I ask you a few more questions. What happens if the boat is sitting on slightly uneven ground and listing a little left or right? (oops - port or starboard) Umm, will the mast base still sit firmly in the pin base, or does 'mastmate' only work really well on completely level ground?

If when raising or lowering, the mast begins to slew to one side or the other, is there a technique or system to get the mast back on track.

The video on the 'mastmate' website is shown with a lady standing infront of boat on trailer, all on completley level ground. She has no troubles at all in raising the mast using trailer winch, but I wonder how they'd keep the mast 'true' it it began to slew.

I'm still very interested in this product, and would love to see it in action sometime. Is there anyone in Cyd-kneee with a 'mastmate' who would like to be 'demonstration queen for a day'?? :lol:

Many thanks again,
Julia C18/414 'Kapa-Laya' aka: 'kermit'
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Postby peter connor » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:01 pm

Julia

I don't have a mast mate but I do have Verne's sytem that uses a level bar to the front of the mast and mast braces on a track slide.

I will be at Pittwater on Saturday Morning if the world does not collapse before then, or if the weather is foul.

Your more than welcome to inspect if you wish. I can explain the pro's and cons as I see it.

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Postby Kayceez » Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:12 pm

Hi Julia,
I can only assist with my own knowledge, I agree that not all boats sit nicely even on their trailers and when the mast starts to go up or down the mast can fall off to one side, that is why I use the baby mates idea I got from Dave at mast mate, they are dead easy to make and combined with the mast mate mk1 I have the mast goes up and down straight irrespective of the way the boat is on the trailer or on uneven ground. I was at the Geelong trailable show a couple of years ago and mast mate Dave was doing his demo and the boat was on very non level ground and a guy from the hartley assoc said sotte voce "watch the mast swing out" well Dave tensioned up the mast mate and showed how light the mast had become and just continued talking whilst the mast was bouncing on its support, it did not move sideways because of the baby mates and there was some surprised comments at this. There are people like singoviv on the TSP website that say you don't need the baby mates he is most probably young and fit I am old and decrepit and the baby mates for me are a must they take little time to put on and off and the security they give is very reasssuring. Re singoviv he claims to have lowered his mast in 45knts on his own with complete safety, me I would come back the next day, but then I have no work constraints!
Sorry to have been so verbose, too much time on my hands not enough sailing. I hope I have answered your queries and looking back I misspelled the TSP website address It is www.trailersailerplace.com.au
I cannot answer about the girl on his website and I have never raised the mast from the ground, that really scares me. I like my feet planted on the coachhouse roof.
Bye Kayceez - Clipper

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Postby waratah » Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:42 pm

Hi Peter,

I hope to see you at Pittwater on Saturday morning - weather permitting.
I'm really quite interested in a manual mechanical device (non-motorised) that can be used for safe mast raising and lowering - solo!

Had quite a long talk by phone with David Jenkins in Melbourne, who is the designer / manufacturer of 'mastmate', and he is going to try and contact a few people who've already purchased, so we may be able to have a look at the 'mastmate' rig in action somewhere in Sydney or surrounds.

This would be just terrific for me. And for anyone who's interested.

And: Silly silly me, I've only just realised what is a TSPer? Geeezzz, you'd think it was simple to understand, but It's taken me more than 3 hours to figure it out. Oh well.
Regards, Julia.
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Postby Simon » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:37 am

I have just ordered one.

Happy to show or lend it to anyone up at Newcastle or Lake Macquarie who is interested in seeing how it works.

Cheers,

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Postby fredoz » Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:28 am

I'm told a great erection helper can be found at www.viagra.com
Never been there myself, just rely rely on brute strength and staying power.
But the product is supposed to be great 'pound for pound'.
I'm also told the only problem is getting it back down again, the lowering device has yet to be perfected.
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Mast Mate

Postby Flatty » Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:17 pm

Hi Simon how are you going with the mast mate? I have used one on my careel 18 with mixed success. (NO Baby stays) oops. It goes up really well but comming down was a drama. The mast came down as expected but then bounced up and to the side. Since the mast mate was in tension it pulled the mast around and tore the base out of the mast breaking the rivets. Then it hit the coach roof and speared towards the bow where I was standing after taking out a large chunk of wooden railing from the coach roof.

I contacted mast mate who were really really helpful and sent some drawings of a careel 18 with the recomended locations of the baby stay anchor points.

Since I already had the anchor points for the door hinge in the sail track method I did not want to drill more holes in the roof so the poles get used instead of the rope baby stays. The hinge method worked really well untill the hinge caught in the sail track while lowering the mast causing it to pull away from the coach roof fitting thingy. I did not have a hole drilled in the cast mast base as I was unsure weather it would weaken it or not.

I'll get it right eventually but the mast has a few scratches on it now????
What ever method used I have found being tenative makes things worse!!

I hope this helps

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